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Che Guevaras take on abortion

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'it is easier to kill a child in the womb then the Guerilla in the hills'

 

This is a quote from Che Guevara, and after much diliberation within myself regarding how I feel about abortion, and as simplistic as it sounds this quote has made my up on the issue, I am utterly opposed to it.

 

What I draw from the quote of Comrade Che is he is telling is its in the imperislists and capitalists interests to kill the children of the working class or the children who will be sick or troubled.

Afterall these children will grow up to burdon their corrupt greedy states, worse still they my revolt against the state as guerilla revolutionaries,

better for the capitalist/imperial social excluders destroy these children early on and make a tidy profit in doing so.

 

I cant see it any other way now.

 

And for all those trendy trot traitor liberals who cheerlead private abortion clinics and denounce all those who oppose abortion as 'anti-abortion', well if it was good enough for Che its good enough for me, and he was a ravid anti-sexist.

 

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I think abortion when the woman's life is at risk is acceptable. Abortion on demand would be awful.

 

I always get kind of sad when I walk through the street and I see a person with Downs Syndrome, often smiling because they are some of the happiest people there are, and all I can think of is if abortion was legal here, that person may not exist. That's the simple fact of the matter, people are willing to take the life of this human because they don't meet their "standards". It's fucking sick.

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I'm not saying that you're anti-woman, but where is the woman's persepctive in the above analysis? Does her view simply not come into it? Not that this necessarily reflects Che's beliefs, but I think Cuba is the country with the highest abortion rate in the world.

 

I think we need to concentrate on the issues which pressure people into wanting an abortion in the first place. We need to create a society where having a child does not mean social and financial exclusion. Amongst ourselves, that would be to ensure that we build up our structures so that child care is not simply left within the atomised family unit, but that decent facilities exist to ensure that women and children are supported. This is not an easy task, if Cuba with state power cannot do that, then we are left with a monumental task. People have been trained to think that a single mother and father (or in many cases, either one of those) has the sole responsibility for a child. Children are almost treated like property under the law. This is no accident, as this social structure is designed to keep intact private property rights.

 

When property rights were communal, they could not be crystalised in a single individual. There was therefore no inheritance, property remained inside the communal grouping, which was based on matrimonial lineage, initially with the father staying within his grouping, but later developing to a stage where the father of any children would associate themselves with the mother's gens (a gens is a sub-grouping of a clann/tribe). While of course children were primarily looked after by their immediate blood relatives, there was much more social responsibility for their upbringing and nobody would be left alone in the way that they are today.

 

As property became to be crystalised in individuals, society needed a way to ensure that this was not broken down upon the death of the individual, and therefore the monogamous family appeared, with property vested in the father and guaranteed to remain intact upon his death. Private property and patriarchy therefore marched forward hand in hand.

 

In today's atomised society, a woman in a committed relationship still finds that having a child harms her social and financial mobility. She becomes more and more financially dependent on the man (rather than on society in general). For a woman not in a committed relationship, the position is even worse, and with relationships being much more fluid and unstable than they ever have been, even a current committed relationship does not provide a guarantee that a woman will find herself as a lone parent further down the line. The system that created this problem now has the audacity to remove even those limited supports that it did provide to lone parents.

 

If society was providing an alternative, then I could understand better the emphasis on stopping abortion. But this country has amongst the lowest availability of affordable childcare in the western world, perhaps even the entire world, given that family structures in less developed nations remain stronger than they are in Ireland. The breakdown of the family/clann structure in Ireland, without finding an alternative socialisation for the looking after of our children, results in this responsibility being put almost wholly on the shoulder of women. In that scenario, their views must count for something, indeed, I would say that position requires that the individual woman's views on the subject should not be interfered with except in the most extreme circumstances.

 

It may well suit us as communists to have more children put pressure on the capitalist system, but that almost amounts to an argument for their use (and the use of the women who must bear them) as cannon fodder. I don't think that is a better solution to the problem than abortion?

 

While I don't believe you personally have an anti-woman agenda, you can see how some women may perceive having this decision, (not just to have a child, but to be used as a weapon against capitalism) being taken from them as being against their interests.

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I suspect a major factor in Cuba is the effect of the US sanctions, the net effect of which is that Cuban women feel that conditions are not right to bring children into this world. However, that can't be the sole reason, as Cuba also has decent access to contraception and education, and a better standard of living than many countries with greater inequality and lower per capita income. There must surely be better ways of not having children than having to resort to abortion. I read somewhere that 6 out of 10 pregnancies in Cuba are terminated, although I don't know how trustworthy that source is.

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