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Tears of Joy, as Kim Jong Un visits Red Flag Revolutionary School

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That organised Crying and cheering over the wee fat dictator is pathetic.

A males only school as well I see.

 

 

Why do you say he's a dictator? And how do you know these people are not really happy to see him?

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Aw common. You have more sense than that.

 

Maybe you could start by defining the term "dictator." If it means a person who rules alone, then, clearly, Kim Jung Un is not a dictator. It's very clear that he does what the Politburo decides he will do. He is a very young man, and certainly will not try to impose his will on a very powerful and stable politburo. It is said that his uncle, General Jang Song-thaek, is the most powerful man on the politburo. Is the DPRK a dictatorship? Yes, it says itself that it is The Dictatorship of the Proletariat. But, that does not mean that Kim Jung Un is a dictator.

 

As for people cheering at his arrival. Well, is it organized when Jedward is greeted by screaming teenagers? Was it organized when thousands of Cork people cheered for the British Queen (yes, to some extend it was, but much of it was genuine feeling.) People love celebs. Regardless of who they are. Now you might say that any Communist government should try to discourage that reaction, but, that's debatable too. Personally, if Aisha Gaddafi ever becomes leader of Libya, I will go to Green Square, and I will be cheering and waving my Green Flag. It won't be for Aisha personally, though she seems to be a lovely person, who has inherited her father's dignity and nobility of mind, but I will be cheering for what she stands for, and for the great struggle that will have gained the Libyan people the return of their dignity and independence, and thus an increase of the dignity and freedom of the whole world.

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Maybe you could start by defining the term "dictator." If it means a person who rules alone, then, clearly, Kim Jung Un is not a dictator. It's very clear that he does what the Politburo decides he will do. He is a very young man, and certainly will not try to impose his will on a very powerful and stable politburo. It is said that his uncle, General Jang Song-thaek, is the most powerful man on the politburo. Is the DPRK a dictatorship? Yes, it says itself that it is The Dictatorship of the Proletariat. But, that does not mean that Kim Jung Un is a dictator.

 

As for people cheering at his arrival. Well, is it organized when Jedward is greeted by screaming teenagers? Was it organized when thousands of Cork people cheered for the British Queen (yes, to some extend it was, but much of it was genuine feeling.) People love celebs. Regardless of who they are. Now you might say that any Communist government should try to discourage that reaction, but, that's debatable too. Personally, if Aisha Gaddafi ever becomes leader of Libya, I will go to Green Square, and I will be cheering and waving my Green Flag. It won't be for Aisha personally, though she seems to be a lovely person, who has inherited her father's dignity and nobility of mind, but I will be cheering for what she stands for, and for the great struggle that will have gained the Libyan people the return of their dignity and independence, and thus an increase of the dignity and freedom of the whole world.

 

Maybe he isn't an actual dictator and is just a figure head. But whoever "leads" the country is a unelected dictator. I don't personally believe in this "dictatorship of the proletariat" type stuff. It doesn't go anywhere positive.

 

Aw, come on. Don't compare the organised or should we called it forced cheering in the DPRK to the organised cheering for celebs here. They could at least give them a few free acting classes if they're going to all that bother. Though food would prob be more welcomed....

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Maybe he isn't an actual dictator and is just a figure head. But whoever "leads" the country is a unelected dictator. I don't personally believe in this "dictatorship of the proletariat" type stuff. It doesn't go anywhere positive.

 

Aw, come on. Don't compare the organised or should we called it forced cheering in the DPRK to the organised cheering for celebs here. They could at least give them a few free acting classes if they're going to all that bother. Though food would prob be more welcomed....

 

I dont think you are being logical. We saw millions of people crying at the death of Kim Jong-il. If they are not good actors, how did they manage to cry on demand? That is a very difficult thing to do, and takes actors years of practice. On the other hand, we could all agree that they are not good actors. That they didn't have to act. That they really were sad at the death of Kim Jong-il. And we could also surmise that the people greeting Kim Jung Un really are happy to see him. Personally, I think there is a good deal more reason for Koreans to cheer for their leader, than for Irish people to cheer for a British monarch.

 

Your quip about food seems to me to be straight out of the Western media, rather than something you have thought about yourself. In reality, people have more food in the DPRK than in many so-called democratic capitalist systems - like India.

 

You also seem to think there is some sort of value in a dictator being elected. What's the difference between Bush and Obama? Or between Blair and Cameron? Or between Sarkozi and Holland? You know that there is no difference, because none of them have any power anyway. They are mere puppets of the real dictatorship, i.e. the Dictatorship of Capital.

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I dont think you are being logical. We saw millions of people crying at the death of Kim Jong-il. If they are not good actors, how did they manage to cry on demand? That is a very difficult thing to do, and takes actors years of practice. On the other hand, we could all agree that they are not good actors. That they didn't have to act. That they really were sad at the death of Kim Jong-il. And we could also surmise that the people greeting Kim Jung Un really are happy to see him. Personally, I think there is a good deal more reason for Koreans to cheer for their leader, than for Irish people to cheer for a British monarch.

 

Your quip about food seems to me to be straight out of the Western media, rather than something you have thought about yourself. In reality, people have more food in the DPRK than in many so-called democratic capitalist systems - like India.

 

You also seem to think there is some sort of value in a dictator being elected. What's the difference between Bush and Obama? Or between Blair and Cameron? Or between Sarkozi and Holland? You know that there is no difference, because none of them have any power anyway. They are mere puppets of the real dictatorship, i.e. the Dictatorship of Capital.

 

Well I don't buy it. If I seen an actor cry like them in a movie I wouldn't watch it for long.

Come on do you really think this is real crying? ^^^

 

Unfortunately that is the only media I can use, since N Korea won't let anyone in or out! Also if you look at pictures and videos of people (usually soldiers) there, they are all VERY skinny.

 

This is not about other country's though. This is about N Korea who claim to be communist and you support. I don't see why any socialist/communist would give an ounce of support to this pathetic regime.

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Unfortunately that is the only media I can use, since N Korea won't let anyone in or out!

 

You can go there on your holidays if you want. Tens of thousands do every year, and they take lots of videos and put them up on You Tube.

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Well I don't buy it. If I seen an actor cry like them in a movie I wouldn't watch it for long.

 

 

Probably you wouldn't as Hollywood crying has to be sexy and attractive. That video looks like real crying to me. I think you have to bear in mind that crying at funerals is a normal part of Korean culture, as it once was in Ireland.

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This is not about other country's though. This is about N Korea who claim to be communist and you support. I don't see why any socialist/communist would give an ounce of support to this pathetic regime.

 

I don't think the DPRK is what I would wish it to be, but, given the massive attacks it has suffered and is suffering from Anglo-Saxon imperialism, as a Communist, I must support it. I really believe that the citizens of the DPRK are better off now than they would be under US rule. Just look at South Korea, and more slavish gang you will never meet - unless the Irish free state gang. I also believe that if the threat of US imperialism was lifted, the DPRK would develop very differently. Koreans make great sacrifices to maintain their sovereignty. Irish people are not willing to do anything to defend their sovereignty. Indeed, their only interest is how much money will they get for it.

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Anyway, if you look at the weakness and slavishness of the Irish, and compare it to the strength and determination of the Koreans, I know which one my admiration is for.

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